Comments on: 91st running of the Indy 500 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/ Free Software Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:01:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Required Name http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-765 Required Name Tue, 29 May 2007 09:38:29 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-765 Huh, scary. All the Tux500 supporters reply exactly the same way. When told their idea is stupid, instead of denying it and backing it up with proof, they say, "Oh yeah? You think of a better idea!" and if you can't come up with a better one, than you're an idiot and should keep your mouth shut. Because apparently it's much worse to not be able to think of a better idea (giving the money to various FOSS projects doesn't count) than it is to have a very bad idea, have people tell you it's a bad idea, go through with it anyway, have it fail, and waste a lot of people's hard earned money. I've donated about $100 to various open-source projects, which isn't that much, but I'm fairly certain it's helped support Linux a lot more than the entire Tux500 project. Richard Chapman, shut up and get off the internet. Huh, scary. All the Tux500 supporters reply exactly the same way. When told their idea is stupid, instead of denying it and backing it up with proof, they say, “Oh yeah? You think of a better idea!” and if you can’t come up with a better one, than you’re an idiot and should keep your mouth shut. Because apparently it’s much worse to not be able to think of a better idea (giving the money to various FOSS projects doesn’t count) than it is to have a very bad idea, have people tell you it’s a bad idea, go through with it anyway, have it fail, and waste a lot of people’s hard earned money. I’ve donated about $100 to various open-source projects, which isn’t that much, but I’m fairly certain it’s helped support Linux a lot more than the entire Tux500 project.

Richard Chapman, shut up and get off the internet.

]]> By: nixternal http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-756 nixternal Sun, 27 May 2007 23:24:24 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-756 Moparx, I am sure I will eventually post some cool stuff. Seeing as the gentleman does not live far from me at all, 30 minutes maybe...We will definitely get together and I know there is a lot I can learn from him. Richard, 100% ready for 90% isn't close I am afraid. I do agree that anyone shouldn't have to suffer under Microsoft and I do believe it is our job to let these users know. Unfortunately putting a Linux sticker on an Indy car isn't going to do it either no matter how much money they raised. The money could have been spent differently and in a much better way, and I am willing to bet if you started a fund raiser to give back to the people who are leading community development efforts, you would be overwhelmed with money and support. I am a part of many projects and they all raise the money they need to be efficient. KDE, Debian, and Ubuntu are my 3 main projects that I help as a Developer, Jr. Developer, and Documentor for all 3. My opinions for marketing Linux actually have a little bit of oomf behind then seeing as I have been a "Marketing Manager" for 2 such large distributors of Linux operating systems. There is no "correct" way to market Linux, grassroots and gorilla style marketing is the only thing the community has in its favor right now, and these 2 need supporters more than ever. Richard, I do not understand why you brought so much anger with your post and the reason you had to disrespect me, there is no rhyme or reason for it on my blog or anywhere else for that matter. I would appreciate it if you calmed it down a bit and thought about what you are going to write next time as to convey it a little more clearly. Moparx, I am sure I will eventually post some cool stuff. Seeing as the gentleman does not live far from me at all, 30 minutes maybe…We will definitely get together and I know there is a lot I can learn from him.

Richard, 100% ready for 90% isn’t close I am afraid. I do agree that anyone shouldn’t have to suffer under Microsoft and I do believe it is our job to let these users know. Unfortunately putting a Linux sticker on an Indy car isn’t going to do it either no matter how much money they raised. The money could have been spent differently and in a much better way, and I am willing to bet if you started a fund raiser to give back to the people who are leading community development efforts, you would be overwhelmed with money and support. I am a part of many projects and they all raise the money they need to be efficient. KDE, Debian, and Ubuntu are my 3 main projects that I help as a Developer, Jr. Developer, and Documentor for all 3. My opinions for marketing Linux actually have a little bit of oomf behind then seeing as I have been a “Marketing Manager” for 2 such large distributors of Linux operating systems. There is no “correct” way to market Linux, grassroots and gorilla style marketing is the only thing the community has in its favor right now, and these 2 need supporters more than ever. Richard, I do not understand why you brought so much anger with your post and the reason you had to disrespect me, there is no rhyme or reason for it on my blog or anywhere else for that matter. I would appreciate it if you calmed it down a bit and thought about what you are going to write next time as to convey it a little more clearly.

]]> By: Richard Chapman http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-755 Richard Chapman Sun, 27 May 2007 22:04:08 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-755 "Linux isn’t 100% ready for mainstream (desktop wise) as new switchers these days don’t have the patience for a learning curve." Linux might not be ready 100% ready for 100% of the users, but it sure as hell is 100% ready for 90% of the users. I see no reason why anyone should suffer under Microsoft any longer than they have to. And as far as spending the money in a better way? Your opinions say more about what you are not, rather than what you are. Why don't you show us what *your* project is and how much money *you're* raising. Then your opinions about marketing Linux will carry some weight. “Linux isn’t 100% ready for mainstream (desktop wise) as new switchers these days don’t have the patience for a learning curve.”

Linux might not be ready 100% ready for 100% of the users, but it sure as hell is 100% ready for 90% of the users. I see no reason why anyone should suffer under Microsoft any longer than they have to. And as far as spending the money in a better way? Your opinions say more about what you are not, rather than what you are. Why don’t you show us what *your* project is and how much money *you’re* raising. Then your opinions about marketing Linux will carry some weight.

]]> By: Moparx http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-753 Moparx Sun, 27 May 2007 21:06:18 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-753 I haven't talked with Bob or the "real" marketing people behind the project, but if they were that passionate about it, then it is really sad to see that things didn't turn out so well for them even if the return of investment wasn't so hot. I agree completely in regard to helios. His actions and the bad publicity he created was one of the things that turned me off on the project and seeing things like "If you don't support the Tux500, you don't support GNU/Linux" didn't help matters either. I would have skipped the Indy500 for a meeting with an old developer myself. :D Do you have any plans to post any interesting commentary regarding your time with them? I am sure some interesting topics had to come up. ;) I haven’t talked with Bob or the “real” marketing people behind the project, but if they were that passionate about it, then it is really sad to see that things didn’t turn out so well for them even if the return of investment wasn’t so hot.

I agree completely in regard to helios. His actions and the bad publicity he created was one of the things that turned me off on the project and seeing things like “If you don’t support the Tux500, you don’t support GNU/Linux” didn’t help matters either.

I would have skipped the Indy500 for a meeting with an old developer myself. :D
Do you have any plans to post any interesting commentary regarding your time with them? I am sure some interesting topics had to come up. ;)

]]> By: nixternal http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-752 nixternal Sun, 27 May 2007 20:50:29 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-752 Ben, I am trying to find a Penguin suit! There is a place locally that will make one, they make them for school mascots, but the price is way way out there, over $1000 USD. If I had a penguin suit, I would wear it everywhere. I think walking around Chicago in that, would draw in more attention :) I would of course do it in the fall or the winter, no way I would do that when it is 90f outside :) Ben, I am trying to find a Penguin suit! There is a place locally that will make one, they make them for school mascots, but the price is way way out there, over $1000 USD. If I had a penguin suit, I would wear it everywhere. I think walking around Chicago in that, would draw in more attention :) I would of course do it in the fall or the winter, no way I would do that when it is 90f outside :)

]]> By: Ben Webb http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-751 Ben Webb Sun, 27 May 2007 20:42:11 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.05.27/91st-running-of-the-indy-500/#comment-751 <blockquote>Right now the Tennis matches are on TV, the French Open, and they are much more interesting.</blockquote> Yeah, maybe we should have somebody in a giant penguin suit playing tennis :D

Right now the Tennis matches are on TV, the French Open, and they are much more interesting.

Yeah, maybe we should have somebody in a giant penguin suit playing tennis :D

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