Comments on: RE: Heal thy self http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/ Free Software Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:43:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Dustin Puryear http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-1912 Dustin Puryear Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:10:02 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-1912 Ha, good points all. Novell, Microsoft, and others all have their own agenda. That's to be assumed and it's not a bad thing. It's just life. Just like street-level efforts like OpenSuSE and Fedora have their own agendas. Let's see how the Microsoft deals play out.. -- Dustin Puryear Author, <a href="http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices" rel="nofollow">Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers</a> <a href="http://www.puryear-it.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.puryear-it.com</a> Ha, good points all. Novell, Microsoft, and others all have their own agenda. That’s to be assumed and it’s not a bad thing. It’s just life. Just like street-level efforts like OpenSuSE and Fedora have their own agendas.

Let’s see how the Microsoft deals play out..

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Dustin Puryear
Author, Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers
http://www.puryear-it.com

]]> By: Zexy http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-785 Zexy Sat, 02 Jun 2007 07:01:07 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-785 Lobby4Linux...these are the same group that basically tried a very flawed assault on many forums/boards trying to get Linux users to cough up $$$ for the Tux500 project. I call it "flawed" because they went around to various forums/boards and more or less demeaned and verbally assaulted people who didn't agree with thier poor marketing attempt. Many people told them it wasn't the right venue for Linux advertising, that there we re many other more worthwhile ways to go about it...and that they would probably cost less money than the Tux500 event. I can't respect any organization who uses heavy-handed tactics to try and persuade you to thier way of thinking. That's just plain bad advertising and it usually has little to no chance of success. They are no better than Microsoft and how many of us really enjoy M$' assualt on free/opensource software. I would venture to guess no many of us. Lobby4Linux…these are the same group that basically tried a very flawed assault on many forums/boards trying to get Linux users to cough up $$$ for the Tux500 project. I call it “flawed” because they went around to various forums/boards and more or less demeaned and verbally assaulted people who didn’t agree with thier poor marketing attempt. Many people told them it wasn’t the right venue for Linux advertising, that there we re many other more worthwhile ways to go about it…and that they would probably cost less money than the Tux500 event.

I can’t respect any organization who uses heavy-handed tactics to try and persuade you to thier way of thinking. That’s just plain bad advertising and it usually has little to no chance of success. They are no better than Microsoft and how many of us really enjoy M$’ assualt on free/opensource software. I would venture to guess no many of us.

]]> By: nixternal http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-779 nixternal Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:18:40 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-779 Nothing is wrong with Novell doing that, but that isn't in Novell's best interest either. Now when it comes to deriving from a business plan, marketing planet, or financial plan, you have to be careful, once again always looking out for your best interest. If you can provide a better answer than "because they can" to why Novell should "talk to real America" then I am all ears. Real America is unfortunately not in Novell's best interest. Novell doesn't make money from selling one desktop operating system, instead they make their money with their site license/support deals. Nothing is wrong with Novell doing that, but that isn’t in Novell’s best interest either. Now when it comes to deriving from a business plan, marketing planet, or financial plan, you have to be careful, once again always looking out for your best interest.

If you can provide a better answer than “because they can” to why Novell should “talk to real America” then I am all ears. Real America is unfortunately not in Novell’s best interest. Novell doesn’t make money from selling one desktop operating system, instead they make their money with their site license/support deals.

]]> By: Fabian Rodriguez http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-778 Fabian Rodriguez Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:58:59 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-778 What is wrong with suggesting Novel use their money / Linux savvy to inform soccer moms ? What is wrong in suggesting they occasionally or frequently derive from the business plan, marketing plan, target audience and other corporate goals ? I think Novel should do just that, talk to the Real America. Why ? Because they can! What is wrong with suggesting Novel use their money / Linux savvy to inform soccer moms ? What is wrong in suggesting they occasionally or frequently derive from the business plan, marketing plan, target audience and other corporate goals ?

I think Novel should do just that, talk to the Real America. Why ? Because they can!

]]> By: Weeber http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-774 Weeber Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:53:56 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-774 Even if who wrote this on lobby4linux was misinformed he is right on his points. "The ones that watch commercials between Extreme Home Makeover and Desperate Housewives. Do you have a clue how many people Don’t Have A Clue? *I mean as to having a choice in how they operate a computer.*" I bet that of 20 people that try linux one stays (at least) the problem is to reach those 20 people, with ads and marketing that task will be easier. If you don't understand the power of a good marketing campaign or of ads itself then you don't understand how Google became so powerful in this years, and neither understand the TV or Radio ecosystem, they're means for the marketing and they work (if you know how to use it). The iPod is a great product, but it wouldn't be what it is today without that aggressive marketing campaign that Apple can afford and that applies to ubuntu too. Without 'word of mouth' Ubuntu wouldn't be at the position that it is today, and that friend of mine is marketing. Just think how big ubuntu would be if Canonical could afford the marketing campaign that Apple does? If the people know you the market take you seriously. Even if who wrote this on lobby4linux was misinformed he is right on his points.
“The ones that watch commercials between Extreme Home Makeover and Desperate Housewives. Do you have a clue how many people Don’t Have A Clue? *I mean as to having a choice in how they operate a computer.*”

I bet that of 20 people that try linux one stays (at least) the problem is to reach those 20 people, with ads and marketing that task will be easier. If you don’t understand the power of a good marketing campaign or of ads itself then you don’t understand how Google became so powerful in this years, and neither understand the TV or Radio ecosystem, they’re means for the marketing and they work (if you know how to use it).

The iPod is a great product, but it wouldn’t be what it is today without that aggressive marketing campaign that Apple can afford and that applies to ubuntu too. Without ‘word of mouth’ Ubuntu wouldn’t be at the position that it is today, and that friend of mine is marketing. Just think how big ubuntu would be if Canonical could afford the marketing campaign that Apple does?

If the people know you the market take you seriously.

]]> By: nixternal http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-773 nixternal Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:30:38 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.01/re-heal-thy-self/#comment-773 Oh, plus I would love to see where this deal with Microsoft and the shunning by the Linux community hurt their bottom line. If you look at http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOVL&t=6m you will see their networth on a steady rise. So I believe the writer wasn't only misinformed, but created FUD or falsities in order to make him/her self sound good. I don't like that style of writing, and I don't think it is fair to the community to read this. I hate the fact now that lxer.com even published it. Oh, plus I would love to see where this deal with Microsoft and the shunning by the Linux community hurt their bottom line. If you look at http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOVL&t=6m you will see their networth on a steady rise. So I believe the writer wasn’t only misinformed, but created FUD or falsities in order to make him/her self sound good. I don’t like that style of writing, and I don’t think it is fair to the community to read this. I hate the fact now that lxer.com even published it.

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