Comments on: GPLv3…The death of Linux http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/ Free Software Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:01:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/comment-page-1/#comment-5693 Mark Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:42:06 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/#comment-5693 Get real dude! Microsoft rules. Get real dude! Microsoft rules.

]]> By: Richard Johnson: GPLv3…The death of Linux - Spellbook - IT mage’s best friend http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/comment-page-1/#comment-1049 Richard Johnson: GPLv3…The death of Linux - Spellbook - IT mage’s best friend Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:20:14 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/#comment-1049 [...] (more…) [...] [...] (more…) [...]

]]> By: Freddy Martinez http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/comment-page-1/#comment-886 Freddy Martinez Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:32:05 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/#comment-886 I swear this is the last time I will comment on this post. So BSD style is more free? The freedom to take away someone's freedom is contradictory in nature. Richard is a "free" American as am I, but the government does not give me the freedom to but him in jail. That would take away his freedom. Lastly, if you are modding out a Yugo, you would have a much harder time if the car hood was welded shut, and you were unable to look into your car. But no, you can clearly see how things work and make your revisions. Someone purposely gives you that freedom to make edits as much as you want. I swear this is the last time I will comment on this post.
So BSD style is more free? The freedom to take away someone’s freedom is contradictory in nature. Richard is a “free” American as am I, but the government does not give me the freedom to but him in jail. That would take away his freedom.

Lastly, if you are modding out a Yugo, you would have a much harder time if the car hood was welded shut, and you were unable to look into your car. But no, you can clearly see how things work and make your revisions. Someone purposely gives you that freedom to make edits as much as you want.

]]> By: nixternal » Oh Kevin! http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/comment-page-1/#comment-885 nixternal » Oh Kevin! Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:49:37 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/#comment-885 [...] Kevin, did you tell him? Everyone who commented in my post about GPLv3…The death of Linux, we were [...] [...] Kevin, did you tell him? Everyone who commented in my post about GPLv3…The death of Linux, we were [...]

]]> By: martin http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/comment-page-1/#comment-860 martin Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:08:31 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.06.07/gplv3the-death-of-linux/#comment-860 ssh gpl fanboys! It's obvious that the gpl is less free than a revised BSD license in the short term. BSD is all about permissive licensing (everything goes) and gpl beeing a copyleft license is about promoting and ensuring the <a href="http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html" rel="nofollow">4 Freedoms</a>. so clearly the gpl is less permissive and does forbid a lot. Of cause this is *needed* to keep free software free in the general case. and gpl software is not a freebie in the sense that it's a gift that anybody can build upon to make something they "own". GPL is a donation with strings attached, so if you build some great car on that simple car you got from the community you have to give back, but that's ok because if you didn't like that term you should have started from scratch yourself and done all the work or bought the basework from someone commercially. Yes, the GPL is a political tool for free software, yes it might force you to give back more than you recieved in the first place: That's free software. Talking about the original topic, i think the GPLv3 doesn't really restrict what is possible on linux. Let's look at the licenses. kernel: GPLv2 with userspace exception and no way to upgrade, gnu libc: GPLv3* with unrestricted use for gcc compiled software exception, X11: BSD like. So nothing in the minimal needed set will likely be any different. Most of the needed layers above that use LGPL and thus might be problematic, but hey, nobody has to do the grunt work for DRM ridden and sneaky patent license based companies. So i don't see why it would be impossible for a HDDVD player to be made for linux, just don't expect support from the OS vendor to hide the secrets for you.... And i think the GPLv3 language doesn't really forbid remote attestation, so that might be a big gaping hole for DRM enabled GPLv3 only operating systems. * copyright assignment to FSF, so it will upgrade soon. ssh gpl fanboys!
It’s obvious that the gpl is less free than a revised BSD license in the short term. BSD is all about permissive licensing (everything goes) and gpl beeing a copyleft license is about promoting and ensuring the 4 Freedoms.
so clearly the gpl is less permissive and does forbid a lot. Of cause this is *needed* to keep free software free in the general case.
and gpl software is not a freebie in the sense that it’s a gift that anybody can build upon to make something they “own”. GPL is a donation with strings attached, so if you build some great car on that simple car you got from the community you have to give back, but that’s ok because if you didn’t like that term you should have started from scratch yourself and done all the work or bought the basework from someone commercially.
Yes, the GPL is a political tool for free software, yes it might force you to give back more than you recieved in the first place: That’s free software.

Talking about the original topic, i think the GPLv3 doesn’t really restrict what is possible on linux. Let’s look at the licenses. kernel: GPLv2 with userspace exception and no way to upgrade, gnu libc: GPLv3* with unrestricted use for gcc compiled software exception, X11: BSD like.
So nothing in the minimal needed set will likely be any different. Most of the needed layers above that use LGPL and thus might be problematic, but hey, nobody has to do the grunt work for DRM ridden and sneaky patent license based companies. So i don’t see why it would be impossible for a HDDVD player to be made for linux, just don’t expect support from the OS vendor to hide the secrets for you….

And i think the GPLv3 language doesn’t really forbid remote attestation, so that might be a big gaping hole for DRM enabled GPLv3 only operating systems.

* copyright assignment to FSF, so it will upgrade soon.

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