Comments on: Kubuntu 8.04 Featuring KDE 4 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/ Free Software Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:36:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: abish http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3876 abish Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:39:35 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3876 i hope i will be able to download a Kubuntu 8.04.. desperately waiting for the KDE 4 for my laptop.. i hope i will be able to download a Kubuntu 8.04.. desperately waiting for the KDE 4 for my laptop..

]]> By: zak http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3561 zak Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:44:22 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3561 I'm still wondering how the upgrade process will work. Will I be given a choice of KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 when updating with apt-get or aptitude? I’m still wondering how the upgrade process will work. Will I be given a choice of KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 when updating with apt-get or aptitude?

]]> By: g2g591 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3509 g2g591 Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:28:58 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3509 I am now confused, because in Riddell's message it says "Users currently running Kubuntu 6.06 will be able to upgrade through the usual path to Kubuntu 8.04, keeping to the KDE 3.5 release series, and will receive the usual 18 months of support for that release" so people who want to use 8.04 as LTS who didn't use Dapper WON'T be able to? or will they? I am now confused, because in Riddell’s message it says
“Users currently running Kubuntu 6.06 will be able to upgrade through
the usual path to Kubuntu 8.04, keeping to the KDE 3.5 release series,
and will receive the usual 18 months of support for that release”
so people who want to use 8.04 as LTS who didn’t use Dapper WON’T be able to? or will they?

]]> By: Joan http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3494 Joan Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:23:51 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3494 Totally agree with nixternal about the release schedule thingy. KDE shouldn't change it's release schedule just because of Ubuntu, that's wrong. If in any case, it should be the other way around. Ubuntu chose GNOME, good for them, but KDE has to go it's own way. What Canonical should do is to give more support to the Kubuntu team, pay some more people to develop for this project. I remember some time ago (maybe about Breeze time) saying that Mark liked (or maybe even used ) KDE, and that they were going to give more support to this desktop environement. Where is it now that it is needed? Why keep going with GNOME when KDE integration with the rest of the OS is much better? Totally agree with nixternal about the release schedule thingy. KDE shouldn’t change it’s release schedule just because of Ubuntu, that’s wrong. If in any case, it should be the other way around. Ubuntu chose GNOME, good for them, but KDE has to go it’s own way.
What Canonical should do is to give more support to the Kubuntu team, pay some more people to develop for this project.
I remember some time ago (maybe about Breeze time) saying that Mark liked (or maybe even used ) KDE, and that they were going to give more support to this desktop environement. Where is it now that it is needed?
Why keep going with GNOME when KDE integration with the rest of the OS is much better?

]]> By: www.killert.de » Blog Archive » News zum Jahreswechsel http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3485 www.killert.de » Blog Archive » News zum Jahreswechsel Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:38:53 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3485 [...] Kubuntu 8.04 erscheint mit dem neuen KDE4 [...] [...] Kubuntu 8.04 erscheint mit dem neuen KDE4 [...]

]]> By: nixternal http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3477 nixternal Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:19:39 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/#comment-3477 There was obviously some inside technicalities researched before such a decision was made, what those technicalities, I do not know yet. I find it hard to believe that Canonical would support dropping the LTS moniker if it was going to cause damage. As for the releases that Mark spoke of at KDE, if you watch the video it was not received well, and for many reasons. Constantly back peddling your goals isn't going to get you far for one, but the main thing was, why should KDE change their release schedules for 1 distribution? why Ubuntu? Ubuntu might be great, but I am sorry that it isn't great to the point that upstream should change their ways just for us, and I feel that is an image of Ubuntu pounding on their chest saying "we are number 1, do as we say." That is why KDE following Ubuntu releases won't happen any time soon, and I am all for KDE and their decisions, by the way it is their work, their goals, and their product. KDE has had a predictable release schedule, when bugs were fixed, there was a bug release (ie. 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4 and so on). And for seeing the benefits for Gnome, no I haven't seen them. And changing your release schedule to match Ubuntu's is absurd imho. What happens if Ubuntu stops being Ubuntu, now Gnome is left to look elsewhere, and of late it sure seems they are pretty friendly with the Foresight people. My question is why can't Ubuntu/Kubuntu change their release schedules to match KDE's? Why does KDE have to match us? See, this kind of upsets me, because for 1 KDE was there way before Ubuntu was even a sparkle in Mark's eye. Changing your ways for Ubuntu is far from the answer, especially with Kubuntu, since there is openSUSE, Fedora, and others who are up there on the list above Kubuntu for KDE support. So, switching to meet Ubuntu's goals, never, I would hate to see KDE even think about doing such a thing. Releasing when you are ready to release is the way to go, not releasing because he said so, so now we can't implement this or this because of them, sounds shady imho. There was obviously some inside technicalities researched before such a decision was made, what those technicalities, I do not know yet. I find it hard to believe that Canonical would support dropping the LTS moniker if it was going to cause damage.

As for the releases that Mark spoke of at KDE, if you watch the video it was not received well, and for many reasons. Constantly back peddling your goals isn’t going to get you far for one, but the main thing was, why should KDE change their release schedules for 1 distribution? why Ubuntu? Ubuntu might be great, but I am sorry that it isn’t great to the point that upstream should change their ways just for us, and I feel that is an image of Ubuntu pounding on their chest saying “we are number 1, do as we say.” That is why KDE following Ubuntu releases won’t happen any time soon, and I am all for KDE and their decisions, by the way it is their work, their goals, and their product.

KDE has had a predictable release schedule, when bugs were fixed, there was a bug release (ie. 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4 and so on). And for seeing the benefits for Gnome, no I haven’t seen them. And changing your release schedule to match Ubuntu’s is absurd imho. What happens if Ubuntu stops being Ubuntu, now Gnome is left to look elsewhere, and of late it sure seems they are pretty friendly with the Foresight people.

My question is why can’t Ubuntu/Kubuntu change their release schedules to match KDE’s? Why does KDE have to match us? See, this kind of upsets me, because for 1 KDE was there way before Ubuntu was even a sparkle in Mark’s eye. Changing your ways for Ubuntu is far from the answer, especially with Kubuntu, since there is openSUSE, Fedora, and others who are up there on the list above Kubuntu for KDE support.

So, switching to meet Ubuntu’s goals, never, I would hate to see KDE even think about doing such a thing. Releasing when you are ready to release is the way to go, not releasing because he said so, so now we can’t implement this or this because of them, sounds shady imho.

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