Comments on: Canonical and Kubuntu http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/ Free Software Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:45:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Bruneux http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-4007 Bruneux Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:35:36 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-4007 "...we are never going to be equal - we have less developers and marketing than Ubuntu does." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/150333 “…we are never going to be equal - we have less developers and marketing than Ubuntu does.”

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/150333

]]> By: Gary M http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-4006 Gary M Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:50:20 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-4006 Everyone save yourselves...switch to Slackware as soon as 12.1 comes out for a real KDE experience. KDE is #1 in Slackware--not a second class citizen. Everyone save yourselves…switch to Slackware as soon as 12.1 comes out for a real KDE experience.

KDE is #1 in Slackware–not a second class citizen.

]]> By: Jonas http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3803 Jonas Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:51 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3803 @Nathan Dbb, Are you sure you know what you are talking about...? As long as you are running the stable version of Gnome and KDE respectively, both are as stable as anyone could wish for. I've never had either to crash on me inexplicably. Certain apps, yes, but never the DE as a whole. I still try to stay away from Gnome as far as possible, but that's just a personal preference based on its behavior, looks, and what not. It's just not for me, but if it had been that much more stable as you imply I might have been forced to use it anyway. But as you can see, I haven't. The DE is stable as a rock, and just about every app I use is written with KDE in mind. But you're right in that KDE 4 for the time being will not be as stable as the current version of Gnome and KDE 3.5.x. Then again, it doesn't have to be. Neither Gnome or KDE 3 is going anywhere, and KDE 4 will eventually be ready to take over from KDE 3.x. And I hope Gnome will continue to do well as well. Some healthy competition is always good :) @Nathan Dbb,

Are you sure you know what you are talking about…? As long as you are running the stable version of Gnome and KDE respectively, both are as stable as anyone could wish for.

I’ve never had either to crash on me inexplicably. Certain apps, yes, but never the DE as a whole. I still try to stay away from Gnome as far as possible, but that’s just a personal preference based on its behavior, looks, and what not. It’s just not for me, but if it had been that much more stable as you imply I might have been forced to use it anyway. But as you can see, I haven’t. The DE is stable as a rock, and just about every app I use is written with KDE in mind.

But you’re right in that KDE 4 for the time being will not be as stable as the current version of Gnome and KDE 3.5.x. Then again, it doesn’t have to be. Neither Gnome or KDE 3 is going anywhere, and KDE 4 will eventually be ready to take over from KDE 3.x.

And I hope Gnome will continue to do well as well. Some healthy competition is always good :)

]]> By: Nathan Dbb http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3782 Nathan Dbb Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:43:10 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3782 STABILITY !!!!!!! Ubuntu is the product that Canonical hopes to make money on and KDE has never had the stability that Gnome has had. KDE on every distribution that I used would become unstable after a few days of use and a dozen suspend/resume cycles. I love KDE applications, as it is OK if an application crashes every few days, but KDE desktop is a product that few would buy. It is only as stable as Microsoft Windows, but it does not bring the conveyance of the dominate platform. With the KDE 3 -> 4 transition, the stability situation is just going to be worse. KDE people should be happy that they are given a stable and up-to-date platform on which their applications can shine. KDE apps are the best, but they are never as stable as their feature-poor Gnome counterparts. Why is this holy war still going on? We Linux users enjoy TWO GUI teams that are fighting for our attention. Be happy, KDE has the most feature-filled apps! Be happy, Ubuntu is the #1 Linux! Be happy, Kubuntu disks are free! If you have full Ubuntu and kde-desktop installed what do you get listed as in these comments? STABILITY !!!!!!!

Ubuntu is the product that Canonical hopes to make money on and KDE has never had the stability that Gnome has had. KDE on every distribution that I used would become unstable after a few days of use and a dozen suspend/resume cycles.

I love KDE applications, as it is OK if an application crashes every few days, but KDE desktop is a product that few would buy. It is only as stable as Microsoft Windows, but it does not bring the conveyance of the dominate platform. With the KDE 3 -> 4 transition, the stability situation is just going to be worse.

KDE people should be happy that they are given a stable and up-to-date platform on which their applications can shine. KDE apps are the best, but they are never as stable as their feature-poor Gnome counterparts.

Why is this holy war still going on? We Linux users enjoy TWO GUI teams that are fighting for our attention.

Be happy, KDE has the most feature-filled apps!
Be happy, Ubuntu is the #1 Linux!
Be happy, Kubuntu disks are free!

If you have full Ubuntu and kde-desktop installed what do you get listed as in these comments?

]]> By: Rad http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3780 Rad Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:56:19 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3780 @ Jeff Bailey >As a former Canonical employee, I can tell you that KDE was nevera >“second class citizen” inside Canonical, but generally not most > developers first choice of platform. I am a software developer and currently I am developing on Windows and for Windows. It is not because I choose this but because I am getting payed for this. You, as any other employee will work on the platform defined by the company. Because it is your job and you get money for this. I am not trying to blame anyone. But please don't tell me things like "platform of choice" when it comes to the payed job. Do you seriously anybody believes that? @ Jeff Bailey

>As a former Canonical employee, I can tell you that KDE was nevera
>“second class citizen” inside Canonical, but generally not most
> developers first choice of platform.

I am a software developer and currently I am developing on Windows and for Windows. It is not because I choose this but because I am getting payed for this. You, as any other employee will work on the platform defined by the company. Because it is your job and you get money for this.

I am not trying to blame anyone. But please don’t tell me things like “platform of choice” when it comes to the payed job. Do you seriously anybody believes that?

]]> By: Serg http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3778 Serg Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:03:13 +0000 http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.02.02/canonical-and-kubuntu/#comment-3778 @ troll (07:44:58) : > What’s wrong about being 2nd class citizen? KDE is worse anyways so it is > fitting. I can bet that the person who wrote that knows nothing about KDE, it's background technologies, possibilities and limitations. I can bet that he knows nothing from the counted above about Gnome. I'm pretty sure that the person who wrote this is not a developer or even not a IT person. Man have you tries to develop any Gnome app? Have you tried to develop any KDE app? Are you sure you know what are you talking about? How you can know what is better? I don't like writing comments to posts like this. But just want to say that people like should sit quietly and try to learn to respect work and feelings of other people. I have never used neither Kubuntu, nor Ubuntu. But I do respect work and feelings of both communities. That is why I will never allow myself to write something like this. I am a software developer but in the company I currently work we develop mostly on and for Windows. But I worked for years with Linux on my previous place of work. And when people ask me about Gnome and KDE (especially Windows people) I try to explain briefly key differences in technologies of Gnome and KDE. But I never tell "something sucks because I used other thing and I think it is better". So first teach to respect other people and second learn more about Gnome and KDE to know what you are talking about. @ troll (07:44:58) :

> What’s wrong about being 2nd class citizen? KDE is worse anyways so it is
> fitting.

I can bet that the person who wrote that knows nothing about KDE, it’s background technologies, possibilities and limitations. I can bet that he knows nothing from the counted above about Gnome.
I’m pretty sure that the person who wrote this is not a developer or even not a IT person.
Man have you tries to develop any Gnome app? Have you tried to develop any KDE app? Are you sure you know what are you talking about? How you can know what is better?

I don’t like writing comments to posts like this. But just want to say that people like should sit quietly and try to learn to respect work and feelings of other people.

I have never used neither Kubuntu, nor Ubuntu. But I do respect work and feelings of both communities. That is why I will never allow myself to write something like this.

I am a software developer but in the company I currently work we develop mostly on and for Windows. But I worked for years with Linux on my previous place of work. And when people ask me about Gnome and KDE (especially Windows people) I try to explain briefly key differences in technologies of Gnome and KDE. But I never tell “something sucks because I used other thing and I think it is better”.

So first teach to respect other people and second learn more about Gnome and KDE to know what you are talking about.

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